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Elijah Shervey's avatar

I love how student experience with apps like i-Ready, IXL, and Sparx Reader is almost universally hated. Atrocious apps, deceptive marketing, then miserably slapped into classrooms in a faux self-paced way.

But I'd caution against extrapolating those apps to EdTech as a whole, which is a pattern I keep noticing in your writing (your book, and articles). You'll take a belief held by a narrow subset of clueless EduSlop enthusiasts trying to market their bad product, then generalise it to the field, and to all thinkers in EdTech.

Like in your book, you made a good reference to the fluency illusion (3D diagrams and sense of ease etc) to knock down a position that very few people in EdTech actually hold. Anyone worth listening to in this space is usually smarter than that.

It's a shame horrible apps like i-Ready aggressively market themselves to Schools as something that'll solve all their academic problems.

I'm afraid it looks like you're doing this again in this article. The near-far transfer effects feels like a bait and switch if I'm being honest.

Yes, the Brain trainer apps made absurd general far transfer "get better at everything" claims. A math tutor claims near-to-intermediate transfer within the same subject. You're collapsing both into the same "near transfer illusion" framework and applying brain training's 0.80 to 0.06 collapse as if it predicts what happens with math tutoring. If a specific company is out there making brain-training-style claims for a math app, criticize that company directly.

Then there's the PISA/TIMSS/NAEP data, which seems like a correlation argument. Did the studies control for pre-selection bias? If it's just "hours using adapative software", could it be that the student who used the software more were already behind (remedial students) and ended up needing to drill more? A pre-selection bias like that could predict the entire outcome without any transfer mechanism. In your book you say "correlation does not = causation" several times but you might've unfairly bypassed the possible confounds here (but probably more for the sake of Substack brevity). Also, did they control for prior achievement or SES?

Also noting that for the MAP and SAT sections, you've written it in a fairly speculative way with a "we would expect" language without citing a number from it. You placed it right after two real sections of data (brain training and PISA etc) in a way that looks a bit like it's trying to borrow credibility from the previous sections then apply it to the MAP and SAT sections.

Keen to hear your take on that. Good article overall. I liked this more than part 1.

Randy Kulman's avatar

While I don't disagree that individualized, human teachers are more likely to help children learn, I wonder if you're selling the potential of AI tutors a bit short. What if we could train AI tutors to help students use metacognitive skills as they learn? Consider how AI tutors' inconsistency in teaching may, in fact, be an advantage, as it provides different contexts and different ways for children to acquire knowledge. What if an individual AI tutor was structured to attempt to make transfer explicit, questioning a student about how to apply a skill, or built a set of related skills that would broaden what the student is learning? Let's train AI tutors to utilize bridging techniques, analogies, abstractions, and metaphors as part of the teaching process rather than just teaching facts. We're not there yet, but in addition to having real-life teachers come, why not attempt to work on these approaches?

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